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Hey larry, When I gild becq. or Mercurial dags I keep it in a final wash of distilled water and upon removing the plate from the dish I quickly placed it on the gilding stand and immediately pour on the gilding solution. Its a little hairy an nerve racking at times but with enough failures in doing it I have earned my stripes. The washing in distilled water i think is a crucial step so you won’t get tide marks. I had read that stains can appear in gilding but you just keep on gilding till they disappear but I never found this to be so, I just gild to the solution bubbles or to a overall tone of the plate.

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That’s a good idea Andy, you could use expandable foam in a makeshift mould to coat from the neck of the bottle down. I am purchasing some bromine here in NZ and I can’t get it in small amounts – the glass 1cc ampoules, so am having to purchase 250ml of bromine (not bromine water but the more concentrated form). Handling that amount of bromine is a worry, I may decant it into smaller amounts.

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Point the lens at the distant horizon and measure the distance from the back lens element to where an image is formed (use a piece of card).

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Hi, whats the focal length of the lens?

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another one from Marc Kereun on ebay.fr:

 

http://cgi.ebay.fr/DAGUERREOTYPE-1-4-plaque-portail-Cathedrale-de-REIMS_W0QQitemZ180360287605QQ

 

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From Marc Kereun on ebay france:

 

http://cgi.ebay.fr/DAGUERREOTYPE-1-4-plaque-Ammonites-et-coquillages_W0QQitemZ180360295613QQ

 

 

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Hey Mike, Welcome to cdags.org!

Its great see more folk making quality enclosures for hard images these days. I have a link list on the resources page of our ilk, which is up to 8:

http://www.cdags.org/?page_id=1197#cc

There is also a gallery for contemporary cases, which I can add your new images to:

http://www.cdags.org/?page_id=692

also one for passe partout:

http://www.cdags.org/?page_id=710

I hear you on the die engravers art, I have thought of delving into that but the demand for my cases is to have the case enhancing view but not detracting from it. Basically I keep to a understated but detailed look. I also like the feel of leather and wood , particularly my especially treated Morocco grain goatskin which I have been applying to my cases over the last year or so.

Other galleries you might find of interest are in the vintage equipment galleries where I have posted images of vintage cases and passe partout:

cases;

http://www.cdags.org/?page_id=2452

passe partout;

http://www.cdags.org/?page_id=2532

Being a community website if you have any favourites you’d like to see there email us images at admin@cdags.org

Regards

Alan

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A restoration service for cleaning dags can be found at

finedags.com ( http://www.finedags.com/restoration.shtm )

 

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The new nude from Rob McElroy is also up on ebay:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260397866123

 

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Up on ebay, one from Marc Kereun:

 

http://cgi.ebay.fr/DAGUERREOTYPE-pleine-plaque-fantome-et-Cloitre-St-Die_W0QQitemZ180350496333QQcmdZ

 

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Hello all, I have removed the image, misappropriation of images is something we want to avoid but I’m sure in this case it was an honest mistake in trying to assist another forum member. Please don’t hesitate to contact one of the three editors of the site (see contact adresses on the “About” page) if your unsure about posting something or have a concern about something that has been posted – we are here to help and one is on the other side of the international date line, so I can fixed problems before they even arise 😉

Hopefully other illustrations directly from the method used can be posted here as cleaning dags is an ongoing issue in the genre, even with 20th century plates (see collectors’ gallery for examples). As long as people have been trying to clean daguerreotypes there have been unwanted results. For those of you unfamiliar, a favoured option of the late 20th century was to clean the plates using thiorea which done in a certain way made the plate then develop “measles”. Some modern conservators still use this method in a altered form as do many individuals so more published research in the area will be well received.

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from Marc Kereun on ebay.fr:

 

http://cgi.ebay.fr/DAGUERREOTYPE-HONORE-DE-BALZAC_W0QQitemZ170321225673QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS:B:SRCH:FR:102

 

 

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These are my images I am submitting so far;

 

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When I made the plate boxes that are in the tech gallery page I had a local sign company use their cnc router to cut up some strips with this design which is what keeps the plates parallel and spaced apart. It didn’t cost much and can be cut into the appropriate lengths for different plate sizes.

 

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Thanks John, your are a well of handy info! I don’t think anyone here has used isopropol, it may work fine but you’ll have to try it out, from the product label in that link it looks to be a fair bet – used for cleaning optical equipment for a grease free surface, let us know how it goes.

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Great pic Sean, I think that part of the science museum has been redone now and those dags are no longer on display.

The image illustrates well how difficult it is to view such large plates, they become much less an image and more of a object. Often people will look at a dag and say ” great, I’d love one in 8×10″ or 10×12″, but at those sizes its not the intimate view where you see the whole breathtaking and captivating image.

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I’ve found ethanol/pure alcohol can be hard to obtain like crystal iodine because it also is used in illegal substance production. You will be able to get Isopropol alcohol from a Pharmacy/drug store but it may give you problems like the de-ionised water did.

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I did read of a home made solution to getting distilled water – Fill a very large pot with water and in it float a large bowl. turn the pot lid upside down and place ice in it. When boiling water in the pot the water condenses on the cold lid it drips down into the bowl. Might seem a little labour intensive but one avenue at least.

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When I lived in Ireland last year I found it impossible to get distilled water too even through the chemical supply company I was ordering through. They sold triple de-ionised “lab water” which I used which seemed fine in the end. If I’m having trouble with water marks appearing in drying, I wash the plate again and either try add some ethanol to the final wash or just use straight ethanol.

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Yes a case for 14×11 inch plate would be a challenge, I did once make a passe partout for Adam Fuss for a plate that size. At those sizes the hand held concept really goes right out the window so a case is not necessary, they are wall pieces requiring specific lighting rather than white walled gallery spaces.

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Thanks Tyler for posting the image of the shoot as well, its interesting to see how unusual material render in daguerreotypes.

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Good find Larry, you must track down the dealer and buy the plate or it will forever haunt you as the one that got away! I have never seen one and am most envious. On the handwriting a modern example can be seen on the home page of http://www.finedags.com by Casey Waters who will be one of our next galleries here.

Rob – thanks for the description, could you post a image of the one in your collection here?. Also can you or anyone else enlighten us as to how Southworth and Hawes did those portraits where the sitters head and shoulders seems to float on a white background, I am thinking of lot number 79 in the famous Feignbaum sale at Sothebys NY.

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Thanks Corey, I have pointed the author of the lst to Adam Fuss’s images also as they also are very large (see attached). He thought David Burder’s 28×48 inch plate was a little outside the scope as it has many small images on the plate, albiet of the same scene.

 

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Just found another, this one by John Hurlock :

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290304903015

 

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Hi Perity

Chemicals are one thing but you will need a facility to handle them safely – a fume extraction hood. Paint fume extraction devices won’t do, but a chemical handling set up. How you go about that – build or buy will require some experience or research into it. In the resources section of this site there are chemical supply places listed.

The process as all practioners can attest to, is a little vexing/taxing. There’s a lot of information on this site and everybody has there own version of approaching the process but if your determined you should find what you need through the resources section and in the forum posts.

Turning digital images into daguerreotypes [title police here : daguerro & daguerreo- 20 demerit points for you ] can be done, there are experienced practioners who can do that for you if thats all your after – make a post requesting that and you will find someone. Bear in mind the quality won’t attain a image “from nature”, espically if you thinking of 19th century daguerreotypes. In terms of actually doing it a computor LCD display gives enough illumination combined with a long exposure in camera to give a reasonable plate. Other folk have used large format transparencies to contact print images onto sensitised plates. If your learning the process, subject matter though is the least of your initial concerns.

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