The exhibit in Bry-sur-Marne

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This thread is for showing images you’re submitting for the poster/exhibit (officially images must be submitted to the Daguerre association) or if you want to discuss aspects of the event – accomodation etc if your going to go there, ways to participate etc.

Note to keep up to date with info on the exhibit check the Daguerre association website and on the home page of cdags.org – there is a link at the top of the left hand column.

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These are my images I am submitting so far;

 

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[TheDagLab]

These are what I submitted…

 

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[Mike Robinson]

these are what I’ve sent

 

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[dagist]

Here’s a recent 4″x5″ daguerreotype I have submitted for consideration. I will also be submitting additional new images in the next few weeks.

 

©Rob McElroy 2009 All Rights Reserved

 

 

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[drdag]

I have submitted 2 images from my new series and 4 from my last series.

I feel it is important to continue with new work, although the series isn’t finished.

I have had a hard winter with many technical problems. I have a much more critical eye, ditching what would have been perfectly good images 1 year ago. I guess the chemicals are getting to me….

 

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[Mercury]

Hello all, time to jump in to the soup!

 

I’m Kenneth Nelson, and I’ve only been making daguerreotypes for 33 years or so. As an Old Fart, I’m thrilled to see this new “revival” and the quality of work I see on CDAGS. Let s ALL give Marc Kereun MORE THAN HE CAN HANDLE for the show in Bry-sur-Marne!

 

I respectfully submit to CDAGS the portfolio I sent to Marc. These images will probably not come through as titled, but represent a tiny cross-section of my work between 1977 and 2008.

 

Thank you all for looking.

 

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[Tomy]

I have shipped these images to Bry-sur-Marne for the exhibit. Image sizes: 3-3/4 inches x 4-3/4 inches. –Tom Young

 

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[dagist]

Has anyone from the US been successful in shipping their daguerreotypes to the exhibit in France using a document called an ATA Carnet which is the form that is used when you ship goods to another country for only a temporary term (such as items for repair, or in this case “goods for exhibition or display”) and which will be returning to their country of origin after a specified period of time?

This type of shipment eliminates any of the usual Customs duties that are applied to imported goods, but often requires the use/hiring of a Customs broker in the country where you are sending the items (France in this case), who must arrange for a Temporary Import Bond (TIB) in order for Customs to clear the items for delivery. The bond (similar to an insurance policy) essentially guarantees that the goods will be shipped back to their country of origin.

The ATA (Admission Temporaire) Carnet is defined on DHL’s website as, “A customs document permitting the holder to carry or send merchandise temporarily into certain foreign countries (for display, demonstration or similar purposes) without paying duties or posting bonds. All of the goods traveling under a Carnet must be returned to the origin country to avoid penalties. The most common type of carnet, the “ATA Carnet”, is accepted in more than 40 countries.”

Neither Fed Ex, UPS, or the US Postal Service will handle/process the ATA Carnet form, and from my research today, it seems that only DHL will process a package through French Customs using the ATA Carnet, and then deliver the package once it has cleared Customs.

Fed Ex said that the recipient of the package would have to arrange for a Customs Broker in France to post the required Temporary Import Bond (TIB) in order to get the package through Customs. Fed Ex would then deliver it, but only if asked-to by the broker or recipient of the package.

This appears to leave only DHL as a shipping option, but Marc Kereun asked me not to use DHL, stating, “Please could you avoid DHL, because its services don’t make ‘provisory importation’, only definitive importation with TVA , taxes (5%) to pay. Fedex, Mail or others are best to use.”

So, I’m in a quandary, and looking for a more definitive answer from anyone who may have discovered more options than I have.

Cheers,

Rob McElroy

Buffalo, NY

[photolytic]

Hi Rob,

I just shipped 6 Dags to Bry-sur-Marne by Fedex on Saturday. They arrived in Paris at 8:09pm Monday and were cleared by French customs at 6:37pm (Paris time) Wednesday. The clearance process took >46 hours as opposed to less than 20 min when I have shipped Dags to buyers in Paris.

Best,

John Hurlock

[Mercury]

Hello Rob and John,

I shipped my daguerreotypes via FedEx on Monday 8/17. Fedex tracking showed that the box was delivered to the museum in Bry on Friday the 21st. I have not gotten confirmation from Marc that he’s seen the box. The processing of paperwork for my box by our local FedEx agent was completely computerized, and we were careful to note that the contents were for temporary exhibition and return, though I don’t remember encountering an “ATA Carnet” form. It arrived in Paris at about 2 a.m. on 8/20, International release was at 6:30 p.m., and it was delivered at 11:30 a.m. on 8/21.

What I did disturbingly encounter was that FedEx has a definite limit on the insurance value that one can declare on international shipments without the requirement of special forms and releases, but I think those originate on the US side. Since I’d packed my dags very carefully, I bit the bullet and went to that limit and not more. (2500 USD for the whole box.)

I’m sure that Marc is up to his eyeballs at this point, but I haven’t received any indication that any bond had to be posted for my box.

Hope this helps,

Ken

[photolytic]

Hello Ken and Rob,

My Dags were delivered and signed for at the museum at 10:37AM Aug 27. The details mention a “payment received” which may refer to a customs payment.

I too opted for an insurance value under the limit of $2500, but my son who works for FedEx told me that “Artwork” is normally NOT covered because it is difficult to establish the true value of such items. The same holds true for UPS insurance.

The US shipping restrictions apply to goods valued at $5000 or more and are intended to control the shipment to foreign countries of certain kinds of software, electronics and parts that might have military value. Most ordinary consumer goods like photographs fall under the category EAR99. If you intend to ship only once, you can apply for a temporary license (TMP) but after Oct 2008 an EIN not a SSN is required to apply for one. FedEx’s help line told me that most of their offices have or can obtain the necessary paperwork to apply for a license in less than an hour.

[dagist]

Ken and John,

Thanks for the info. After more research into the ATA carnet, I found out that it costs over $200.00 to get one (properly prepared by companies that specialize in doing them correctly) and that it would take several days to get it back in the mail (exorbitant rush charges were of course an option). Obtaining and utilizing a carnet is the proper way to import items temporarily into one of the 75 countries that honor them, but Fed Ex and UPS won’t handle them. Only DHL will process a shipment using a carnet if you have already obtained one, and they will also prepare one for you for a $75.00 charge.

Because the DHL telephone rep knew nothing about the $75.00 carnet preparation service they offer, other than how much it cost, I couldn’t trust that they would do it properly, so I opted to ship my package using Fed Ex like you guys did, in the hope that the museum wouldn’t have to pay the approximately $150.00 in duty that would be required if the six d’types were being permanently imported into France. I only insured them for $600.00, to avoid the US export documents required for items worth over $2,500.00, and, as John mentioned, because Fed Ex would probably not honor a claim much higher if the package was lost, damaged or stolen.

The only other way around the duty would be if the museum uses a Customs broker who files a Temporary Import Bond (TIB), which is a guarantee that the items will be returned to their originating country after a temporary stay. Hopefully that is what they are doing, but Marc never said so, so I don’t know.

I shipped my d’types yesterday (clearly marked “temporary import for exhibition”). Their expected delivery date is tomorrow (8/28). We’ll see what happens.

Cheers,

Rob

[dagist]

If anyone still needs to ship their daguerreotypes to France, the good news is that Fed Ex delivered my daguerreotypes today 8/28, only two days after I shipped them from Buffalo, NY. There were no hold-ups in Customs, and no duty had to paid by the museum to receive them.

Marc Keuren also said that he (or someone) will take photos of the exhibition so that we (all of us who cannot attend in person) can “…appreciate the atmosphere of the Exhibit.” The catalog is still being worked-on and is not going to be ready until the end of the exhibit.

Thank you Marc, for undertaking such a large and challenging project. I wish you much success. Please let us know when there are any reviews of the exhibit posted on-line, so that we might read them.

Cheers,

Rob

[jdanforth]

I sent two over:

4×5:

and

whole plate:

Maybe they’ll get there. Sent with DHL.

[CasedImage]

I sent 6 and made videos of them before sending, sent them fed ex – fly my pretties….

Posted the videos in my journal ; http://www.casedimage.com/about/wordpress/

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[Mercury]

I am happy to say that I will be able to carefully inspect all of your work in Bry. AND I will have a camera, though I don’t know if I will be able to post from there. But there will be no shortage of photos to share.

They say things happen in threes? This, the 170th (1), is in Daguerre’s town (2), so I make it the occasion of my first trip to France (3). Tres bien! If the next big show like this is on the 200th in 2039 I’ll either be 83 or dead so I figured I’d better get off my butt and go to this one.

I second “dagist” in saluting Marc for such a major undertaking!

A biento,

Ken

[jdanforth]

Ken, I will be there too! My wife and I decided to go at the last minute. Sean Culver and I will be arriving on the same plane early Thursday morning. I know Jerry will be there so that makes four of us. I was hoping to have a big daguerreotypist’s dinner on Friday or Saturday night!

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Jonathan, Ken, Jerry and Sean – Takashi Arai will be in Bry too, I hope you all have a great time meeting up

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Ken tells me that Tom Young will be going as well, so that 6 Daguerreotypists from outside Europe that will be at Bry this week

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[dagist]

For All,

Here is a link to a video review of the Bry-sur-Marne exhibit. It’s in French, and there are lots of close-ups of the daguerreotypes (none of mine unfortunately) and the exhibit space, with Marc discussing the process and exhibition.

http://culturebox.france3.fr/all/14800/Des-daguerr%E9otypes-contemporains-expos%E9s-%E0-Bry-sur-Marne/#/all/14800/Des_daguerr%E9otypes_contemporains_expos%E9s_%E0_Bry-sur-Marne

Cheers,

Rob McElroy

Buffalo, NY

[dagist]

For All,

There is currently a tour (10:10AM EST 9/20/2009) being given of Daguerre’s diorama. There is a live-feed camera in the room and we may possibly be able to see some of our daguerreian friends when they let them examine it a little closer. Here’s the link to it.

http://81.252.98.33:6001/local/viewer/cam1_popup_lv.html

And of course, all of us who couldn’t attend the exhibit in Bry-sur-Marne – are anxuosly awaiting some first-hand reports.

Cheers,

Rob McElroy

Buffalo, NY

[Andy Stockton]

At the moment I can see the tour guide,

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Hot off the presses.

 

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