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  • #16477
    TakashiArai
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    Dear dag friends,
    I’m considering to make a series of portraits with flashlight.
    I heard Jerry used quite a huge set of generators and flash heads for Chuck Close’s project.

    I have no idea to calculate total watts for the sufficient light.
    If anyone could share an experience and/or any idea, it will be great help.

    Thank you!
    Takashi Arai @ Kawasaki, Japan

    #16479
    Craig Tuffin
    Participant

    The last time I spoke to Jerry he said that he used a total of 30000ws of light. You can see the multiple heads in the catchlights. He prevented flashburn with clear acrylic mounted in front of the reflectors I think.

    I plan on testing the 13000ws that I use for wet plate and hope for the best (I don’t want to have to multiple pop portraits).

    Dan Carrillo uses his continuous light set up but he would be better quoting his output and exposure times.

    #16480
    TakashiArai
    Moderator

    Thanks a lot Craig!
    30,000Ws sounds somehow pretty destructive.. Maybe I should also use Mike Robinson’s white camera to reduce total watts.
    -Takashi

    P.S. I tried 3000W for wet plates and that worked quite well with F-stop 3.5.

    #16481
    photolytic
    Participant

    I have taken flash Dags using a 9600ws Speedotron 105 flash head at a distance of 1.25 meters using an f/2.8 lens.

    The equivalent metric flash guide number (GN = Distance X f/n) is 3.5.

    4x5 Dag of Danny and Liam

    The Lighted or white camera technique used by S&H and probably learned from Mayall in 1845 can increase Dag speeds by about 33%. Exposure of Dag plates to other white light sources either before (hyper-sensitizing) or after camera exposure (latensifying) can double the speed of Dag plates. See the resources section for details.

    #16483
    TakashiArai
    Moderator

    Thank you for the image and detailed information. So did you use hyper-sensitizing method with this plate?
    Also I have one strange question: How did those two kids react to the flashlight?? Wasn’t that little painful? (They look happy though)
    I’m planning to take portraits of elderly people so I just want to know..

    #16504
    photolytic
    Participant

    The entire experience was printed in the Members Favorite section of The Daguerreian Annual 2012 p235
    For the benefit of non-members of the Society, I have included the text below:

    Liam and Danny Boomker 4×5 inch Daguerreotype. July 11 2011.
    Whether it’s a modern digital shot or a Daguerreotype, photographs of young children have always possessed a universal appeal. It was with this in mind that I set out to record the smiling faces of my two grandchildren on a Daguerreotype plate last summer.
    I was confident that I could handle the squirming of two rambunctious children since I had the use of two high powered flash units, designed for high speed photography of sports events. More than enough light for Daguerreian portraits.
    However I did not count of the unexpected skittishness of my younger grandson Liam to kick in just before the critical moment of exposure.
    Liam, age 4 at the time, had been eager to participate since he always wants to do everything his older brother Danny, age 6 at that time, does and he knew Danny had been brave enough to face my Daguerreian lights last year when he had been the subject his portrait. Danny was confident and ready for his second experience under the lights, but Liam was not quite sure. A trail flash, to check the positioning of the slave trigger on the second light was all it took to set off the panic that followed.
    Fortunately his mom, Amy Hurlock Boomker (p196 2001 Annual) stepped in with a maneuver often employed by determined mothers in the Daguerreian era.
    A quick grasp of both his arms and Liam was temporally immobilized but still smiling broadly.
    The resulting Dag, mom’s hands and all, has a charm few parents can resist.

    The dag plate was not hyper-sensitized. The 9600ws was split between 2 Speedotron 105 flash heads, each positioned at 45 degree angles from the subjects, at a distance of 1.25 meters. Each head was powered by a separate 4800ws Speedotron 4803 power supply.

    From my own experience, I can testify that after each flash the subjects eyes close involuntarily, but this is not recorded on the plate during the 1/250 sec flash duration. After the flash the subject sees a temporary blind spot in each eye for about 15 seconds but no long-term visual affect remains. I have not taken any flash Dags of any subjects older than myself and my wife, both about 70. However Danny was born with hypo-plastic left heart syndrome, which left him with no left ventricle. He underwent 3 open heart surgeries as an infant, and now at age 9 he has a nearly normal heart function.

    #16506
    jgmotamedi
    Participant

    I also use a 9600ws Speedotron 105 head with a 22″ white reflector for Daguerreotypes. Generally I shoot at f2.8 with the reflector about 4 feet away from the subject. It is very bright but not blinding. For the most part I get pretty good results, and love the ability to freeze action (and take pictures of kids). I do find that for inexplicable reasons the I/Br balance needs to be slightly different than outdoor or with fluorescent lights. There are examples here: http://daguerreotypy.blogspot.com/, although I hardly every update the site.

    As an aside, Takashi, I come to Kamakura almost every summer, and would love to meet sometime.

    jason

    #16559
    CasedImage
    Keymaster

    Back in 2001 Jerry took a triptych of me using that monster lighting set up. When the it fired I felt it on my skin like a quick breeze and there was the faint smell of burning hair. At this years IO symposium Mike Robinson mentioned these side effects could be avoided by placing a large blue filters/glass in between the flash and sitter with no change to exposure. Something worth trying in my experience. The whole plates of Jerry’s great work can be seen here;
    http://www.jerryspagnoli.com/Portraits/alanbekhuis.html

    www.CasedImage.com

    #16673
    Bingtan
    Participant

    has anyone considered using LED spotlights? I currently have an Arri L7-C – it’s an LED fresnel spot that is color tuneable from 2,700 to 10,000K

    The lack of heat makes it quite good for the subject. I had a reading of about 8.2 ev at about 18 inches.

    I reckon if you had 2-3 of those, it could work?

    I’ve been using it for large format photography.

    Here’s some info and here’s the light from bhphoto:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/812828-REG/Arri_553500C_L7_C_Color_LED_Fresnel.html

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